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oion
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  12:40:04  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NigelS

Small machines need a good case (at a good price). Ya can't just throw 'em into a backpack. On other fronts -
Netbook hater finds reasons to think twice:
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-18547-Nec+VersaPro+VS-7%2C+the+Ultimate+Netbook+is+Japanese%21+%28Quick+Review%29.html



Fools! I wouldn't call that a netbook. The specs point more to a subnotebook. 10.6"(1280x768), great performance, well over $1000 (I saw retail blurbs citing $1800)? Yep, a subnotebook. And yes, a Japanese subnote will still beat the crap out of any netbook. 9-ish hours life on an extended battery is decent, but if that retail price cite is correct, then I imagine the total retail price with another battery will be over $2000, which is absolutely out of "netbook" territory, so please stop calling it one (you doofus reviewers--yes, YOU).

If the price was comfortably below the 4-digit line, maybe this would be the true conflation point between netbooks and our classical subnotebooks. Huh.

WAIT--it has NO TOUCHPAD and has a POINTING STICK? (Is that coming back? 'Cause I'd be so happy if the eraser nubs are really coming back.)

Add a modular bay and it's the Fujitsu Lifebook P-2k all over again, but with better performance. In considering how I use all my computers, I guess a modular bay would be less critical, though.

Edited by - oion on 07/24/2009 12:41:11
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nomo
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Posted - 07/26/2009 :  05:38:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The $300 netbook alternative: Compaq Presario 15.4" Laptop PC

HP "Executive" netbook with 1.66GHz Atom and optional 128GB SSD, 1366x768, 6-cell: engadget, laptopmag, netbookchoice
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NigelS
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Posted - 07/27/2009 :  14:28:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oion I thought you'd like the pointing stick resurrection on that one! Here comes some more an Apple's impending entry into "don't call them 'netbooks'" market territory...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h9KaJbm2_9Oc0Z1xIYJhNcbUbRNA
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/28129982-7a18-11de-b86f-00144feabdc0,dwp_uuid=9a36c1aa-3016-11da-ba9f-00000e2511c8,print=yes.html
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NigelS
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Posted - 07/28/2009 :  14:05:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Netbook spigot finally gets hit over the head with a pipe-wrench - Asus & Acer slam shut the pipeline until pending quality upgrade arrives - http://www.digitimes.com/print/a20090728PD206.html
http://www.slashgear.com/acer-freeze-launches-until-pine-trail-in-q1-2010-2850517/print/
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oion
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Posted - 07/28/2009 :  17:04:47  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting.

I still want AMD to kick Intel in the keister somehow, though. Wonder what sort of news we'll see in the near half-year interim.

I have nothing useful to add; it would probably be useful to see how the world economy as a whole comes out of 2009 as well.

(But I did buy a 2GB RAM upgrade for my P-7230 finally. I'm still so happy with its new case. Score one for netbooks there.)
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NigelS
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Posted - 07/29/2009 :  01:11:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
2GB? How did you manage all this time on 1? (Link to the case?)
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oion
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Posted - 07/29/2009 :  16:43:46  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NigelS

2GB? How did you manage all this time on 1? (Link to the case?)



Will, WinXP doesn't need as much as Vista. I still manage to word process, have 19 browser tabs, Winamp, and Photoshop CS8 open (minor web graphic editing). At this point, adding 2GB will also increase resale value and let me use less disk caching since I have maybe 7GB free space.

(The case I'm gushing over is on the previous page.)
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/14/2009 :  16:04:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LG releases crap new Netbook with 9 cell 12 hr battery (7 hrs in the real world...) - glacial Netbook progress continues... http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/news/2009/08/13/LG-X130-Claims-12-Hours-Battery-Life/p1
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oion
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  13:20:38  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Meh, there's nothing "new" out there. It's already a tired road of marketing development. (Where are we on the subnotebook side, then? )

I have seen TV commercials bundling netbooks with wireless access subscriptions, so that's the current pattern, I guess. I have no idea if those are decent deals or not, though.

And I'm absolutely positive that students with free/cheap netbook+wireless access in class/on campus will be 90% solidly distracted from actually studying/listening/note-taking. Hooray for progress.
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EB1
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  20:48:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What do you all think of the Acer 1410? It's priced like a netbook, but with a CULV CPU and a decent LCD display.

EB
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nomo
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  09:56:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EB1

What do you all think of the Acer 1410? It's priced like a netbook, but with a CULV CPU and a decent LCD display.
I think the 1410 is the next step in the evolution of the netbook and its inevitable convergence with the traditional ultra-portable laptop segment. With a single core CPU the challenge will be to manage customer expectations regarding performance. A portion of the consumer market will probably be happy with the 1410 and prefer its larger display compared to netbooks. Business users seeking a 10-11" ultra-portable will probably want a faster CPU/GMA.
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  10:14:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sad side-effect of the Netbook - the selling-out of quality: the $299 Wal-Mart laptop
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10306057-64.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-l305-s5955/4505-3121_7-33695841.html?tag=mncol;txt

Hi EB1 - internet reports say that the 1410 is singled out by Acer for re-branding and is getting focus as the first to arrive of the next wave (CULV). Soon there will be loads of these type of machines and no one can complain - it will be a step up (finally a decent display resolution). Downsides to consider on all these items - 'plastic feel', bloat (dimensions & performance), instant depreciation, battery vs power, rapid wear and tear, etc. The Acer looks not bad in reports - they even offer a core duo culv option - http://www.liliputing.com/2009/08/acer-aspire-1410-coming-soon-new-name-for-the-11-6-inch-timeline-1810t.html http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/08/13/acer%E2%80%99s-11-6-inch-aspire-1810tz-to-feature-dual-core-culv-processor/

Edited by - NigelS on 08/16/2009 10:17:25
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oion
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  11:02:19  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Re: Acer 1410

The 11.6" size and whatnot seems to toe the thin-and-light segment, not the absolutely miniscule netbook segment, but again, the line can be fluid depending on whom one asks. The thing is that pricing is generally an inverse relationship to size, assuming moderate innards. One can easily find larger notebooks for only slightly higher "netbook" prices, but it's that netbook size+price niche that was intriguing in the beginning. The only way for a netbook to truly converge with the traditional subnotebook is to maintain that mini form factor and size but double or triple the "innard" performance and options, I think. To completely supplant the subnotebook segment, netbooks would also have to maintain a $500-ish price point while doing all that.

NigelS: I misread your first comment and thought "Were netbooks ever high quality?" But the fall in electronics quality (in re price, especially) is something that's been happening since the 1980's, so I don't know if that's a singular effect of netbooks or if netbooks have merely sped up the slide a bit, with the healthy help of Wal-mart.

Indirectly, what's interesting is that if these cheap laptops truly take a bite out of the netbook competition by having the same price range, once again we're at the point that subnotebooks were at: You pay a premium for the portable size.
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  23:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New blog review of the Acer http://acer1810treview.blogspot.com/
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StR
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Posted - 08/18/2009 :  13:46:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anybody know of a distributor that is similar to Portable One in regards to customization of netbooks?

I'd like to purchase a Toshiba Mini 205, but boost up its memory (2GB) and HDD (7200 RPM and 250 or 320 GB).
Portable One offers that, but only for the black-colored version.
My wife prefers the white one (and this netbook is for her).

Also, - does anybody know: if one inserts 800MHz memory chip in the netbook that is capable of 533MHz would it cause any problem?
Toshiba offers on their website (toshibadirect) 2GB chips as "accessories" but those are 800Mhz.
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/20/2009 :  12:19:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You've got me there, StR. P1 is the only customized-PC provider I've ever heard of. Back in the day you could negotiate just about anything with them - start a dialogue & see what happens... (The White version can be had at New Egg - stock config though)
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/20/2009 :  12:24:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kohjinsha Nudges Netbook Envelope - EX6 11.6 arrives...
(personally I just like to see new stuff with the old-fashioned Tray-style DVD burner... Really miss that)

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2009/08/20/kohjinsha-ex6-116-convertible-pushes-definition-of-netbook/
http://www.laptopspirit.fr/wp-content/uploads/new/kohjinsha-ex6-2.jpg
http://www.laptopspirit.fr/wp-content/uploads/new/kohjinsha-ex6-3.jpg


Edited by - NigelS on 08/20/2009 12:27:15
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StR
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Posted - 08/20/2009 :  17:03:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NigelS

You've got me there, StR. P1 is the only customized-PC provider I've ever heard of. Back in the day you could negotiate just about anything with them - start a dialogue & see what happens... (The White version can be had at New Egg - stock config though)



Yes, the standard "stock" version is available at many places, and the price is the same.
As for P1, I asked them earlier this week, and Scott responded quickly. But they only carry (and customize) the black one, what they call "business model".

Toshiba's support isn't helpful either. They have trained script-readers there.
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NigelS
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Posted - 08/25/2009 :  01:41:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nokia dreams up a classier NBook -
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-booklet-3g-gets-live-images-2453540/print/
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10358_Nokia_Booklet_3G-netbook_with_.php

Dual Core & NVIDIA - the Next Step for NetBooks ?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10315709-64.html

Edited by - NigelS on 08/25/2009 01:46:08
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NigelS
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Posted - 09/02/2009 :  15:10:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where Netbook finally intersects with Ultraportable? - too soon to tell, but interesting none the less...

"...Sony Vaio X Series, which has yet to be officially announced - has a black carbon fiber exterior, will weigh less than 1.5 pounds, have an 11.1-inch screen, and be less than half an inch thick - wireless 3G and an "all day and into the night" battery...."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10332827-1.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
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oion
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Posted - 09/02/2009 :  20:38:02  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A bit late, but... StR, netbooks are so cheap and on such the low end of the market that no major vendor would spend the manpower (human hours are worth a lot more than the hardware unless you're talking about a lowly Chinese factory worker) for customization options. The reasoning is the same for anything else cheap like cars. Saturns couldn't be customized very much, if at all, for good reason. It just wasn't worth the upkeep time to merely offer the service. Netbooks are not for the picky. For hardware upgrades in netbooks, just do it yourself. RAM frequency speeds should automatically step down to the lowest common denominator, so a faster chip will run at the max capable speed of the motherboard.

NigelS: I'll never hold my breath when it comes to Sony, and while that probably has nice subnotebook specs, I'm betting it'll have a subnotebook price. But the first question that came to mind for me was, whatever happened to the ridiculous Bling Book?
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oion
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Posted - 09/11/2009 :  10:50:33  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
AMD's new netbook?

Maybe, maybe not, but it adds a little flavor to the mix, I suppose.

http://www.liliputing.com/2009/09/acer-introdues-ferrari-laptop-with-amd-congo-cpu.html

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49303609,00.htm

What I find amusing in the above blurb is the comment about a "large 11.6-inch display."

Large indeed.

Edited by - oion on 09/11/2009 11:28:36
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NigelS
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  01:03:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Should we stock up on top level ultraportables? SlashGear speculates that the netbook caused Sony to dust-bin the TT 11.6 inch. (Is Fujitsu next?)
Depressing thoughts as the small machine gets common - http://www.slashgear.com/sony-axe-vaio-tt-premium-ultraportable-casualty-of-netbooks-2053039/ and the 11-inch is absent at Sony Style - 007 TT is listed but Sold Out - http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=VGNTT190EJX/C

Engadget confirms the TT is gone http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/19/vaio-tt-disappears-from-sonys-us-site/

Edited by - NigelS on 09/18/2009 19:00:48
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oion
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  10:30:02  Show Profile  Visit oion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting, though not outside the realm of logical economics. But the "netbook" design evolution has been moving towards our subnote niche all the while, right? The commentary about the AMD ultraportable in particular points to higher performance hardware, the main sticking point of netbooks. Of course, we all remember in our older subnotes the lack of power.

So long as a solid body of consumers demands these things, I still believe the netbook species will spread out far enough to cover both ends of the spectrum (cheap-crap and premium): size, weight, battery life, performance. Overall mobile versatility. Oh, and an eraser nub.

And prices should also spread out, so we'll be back to business with a new generation of true subnotes. Yep.
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NigelS
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Posted - 09/18/2009 :  12:19:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I dunno - I'm much more pessimistic now that I've been to the shops and seen most of the latest netbooks. They look great in photographs, but in person they look like the chunky matte-plastic playthings you see on the floor of any child's day-care or doctor's office. Fisher-Price designed the form-factor. I lament the lost prestige of the ACTUALLY expensive (as well as expensive appearance) of the original miniature notebooks. Form factor without any Bling cache, but broadcasting that kind of thoughtful intelligence that suggests 'thoroughness' for lack of a word. I like stuff that hints BETTER things are around the corner. What we have here suggests merely 'Lots & lots MORE things' are around the corner (and none of them are going to be any better).
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